A Poll

[havenmods]

Hello Havenites!

I've received a few concerns about reserves from newly released canons, which we currently have no rule against, and requests for this to be changed to a month wait. As a brief explanation to why Haven has never had a rule on this before, as it's a common rule seen across other games - I had initial concerns that it may create unfair double standards due to different release dates in different parts of the world, as what is one month after the release date for one part of the world may still be before release in another part of the world.

However, as there have been several requests on this subject, and I'm always willing to change game policy, I'm going to put it to the vote of the playerbase and go with the majority decision either way.

Please note, if the decision does come back to enforce a one month wait, this will not be implemented until after the next app round in order to be fair to any potential reserves already on the list. In the event that a change is implemented, the one month wait time will count from the earliest release date regardless of where in the world that may be. Please vote with one character journal only, and reply to either the header YES to change to a one month wait for new canons, or NO to remain as it is.

The vote will remain open until Sunday 16th November, 7pm EST, as that is when current reserves expire. If the rule is to be changed, it will be implemented starting on Sunday 23rd November, which is when reserves next open.

Thank you!

UPDATE EDIT: As has been asked, if the rule is implemented then this would also apply to canon updates for ongoing canons (one month after new releases) in order to apply the rule fairly across the board.

Comments

YES

[havenmods]

Votes under this header will be for a change to a one month wait.

[dhaosu]

Re: YES

[browbeater]

Goin' here.

I would suggest maybe waiting until a canon has been released everywhere in theaters/games/you name it at the very least before people can reserve from it, not necessarily a month.

And maybe a month for the canons that won't be localized yet are very popular, which is something like DR used to be I'm pretty sure...

Re: YES

[havenmods]

Just responding to say waiting until a canon is released everywhere may not be very practical to implement due to extended wait times between regions. For example, the U.K. (where I am) often doesn't get movies until anywhere between one and three months after the U.S. and it would be tricky to keep track of when a canon is releasing where.

Having a standard one month from the first release date would be the most practical.

Re: YES

[browbeater]

Fair enough! Then yes, I'd vote a month on new canons.

Re: YES

[browbeater]

Actually, if the canon update requirement goes through, count my vote as a no. Sorry, I'm kind of not cool with forcing people who are playing established characters to wait to play something with the characters they've already apped vs. people jumping the gun for a brand new canon that's just been released.

Re: YES

[havenmods]

No problem! 'll make sure to remember that and count your vote as a no when the vote closes, thanks for letting me know.

[hermitpurple]

Throwing my vote here. I've imposed waits on myself for apping from new canons and I find my characterisation is the better for it, but that's just my experience with it. Rushing to app doesn't mean that you're throwing the best version of the character forward.

[ishotyouuu]

[slushfund]

There's typically a high drop rate with characters from brand new canons.

It'd be better for them in the long run, if they had time to think about the decision, and feel out the character before applying.

[fierily]

Re: YES

[superissues]

Re: YES

[selfassured]

Re: YES

[allthetimekept]

I vote yes on both counts, so long as when it comes to the month wait on new canons it only counts if the app week would be a month or more after the canon has been released.

So say a movie comes out and someone puts in a reserve, the reserve would be valid if the app cycle starts when it's been a month since the movie's release...if that makes sense. I don't think waiting a month to reserve is as big a deal so much as a month before a character can be officially let into the game (aka when apps start/end).

[hatchy]

Think waiting a month for a canon update is a wise idea for the same reason waiting a month for the new canon is, and that's that you actually have time to sit and think about the new development.

Get a better feel for it, mull it over with what you already have, etc.

[wise_maiden]

Yes. though I think the canon-updates should be more case-by case? Though that's a harder one to determine, so I can see why you'd rather have it across the board. Although in that case canon-updated people have the option of hiding spoilers, while new appers is more or less - other people may want to app that particular character, but if someone apps in immediately, it does cut the opportunity for other people who don't see something immediately?

Re: YES

[highfunctioning_sociopath]

I think this is fair to give people a chance to avoid spoilers.

Re: YES

[borntochoose]

[batmask]

NO

[havenmods]

Votes under this header will be for no change to the current no wait time.

[niceguypose]

[braavado]

Going to cast my vote as a no, since the poll has been edited to include canon updates as well.

[sunflowering]

Re: NO

[dorka]

was still unsure after your explanation, but mako-muns argument has me swayed this way

[afflictive]

I don't have strong feelings about new canons, but casting a 'no' due to the canon update part!

[ballpoint]

I'm going to say No if only for the canon update section of it! Because a decision to app to a newest chapter or episode of an ongoing anime/manga/show/what have you will leave you... four behind, in the grace period, if it's weekly. And what if something else happens in that time! It could heck plans up.

Otherwise, I think people can mostly be trusted to hold up on spoilers, and... if "fad canons" are the concern, those generally get washed away within the month in the first place!

[dorka]

+1 to avoiding spoilers; p much every dangan ronpa player i ran into would be like 'omg btw if there are concerns for spoilers i have this here!!' applications even would get warnings slapped on them also. rp community has mass respect for spoiler warnings

also...(random info) as i recall, our old jack frost apped like the day after it came out, everyone hooted 'fad app,' and they ended up being our most consistent jack player, and outlived a whole RotG cast that came much later. so idk what one month is stopping as far as fad apps go

[overexerted]

i was originally indifferent, but since canon updating has been changed to implement the possible new rule as well iiiiii am gonna cast my vote to no.

[rocketpunch]

Putting my vote here!

[waterver]

As someone who's run a game where canons get fad-apped while still in theatres, has seen canon updates happen almost as quickly, and has actually had a rule like this in place before, I vote no. It's a hassle to keep up with, on both a player and mod standpoint. As a player, it creates frustration, especially due to canon-updates (which would honestly need to be in place for sheer fairness of upholding said rule), but it also creates a bit of a wondering barrier on release dates, i.e., if something gets released in one region of the world but not another, would the original location be considered enough of an exposure even with a limited exposure than other canons if there's little to no access to it in another location? Or would it still be mostly considered a spoiler in terms of where it gets released and when? We see that a lot with video games that might get an European release before an American one, or ones that are released in Japan and might not even get translations for months (or years if you happen to be dealing with Capcom). But it also creates additional frustration on a moderator standpoint as you'd have to make sure to check each canon and timepoint specifically to make sure that it isn't the newest release. The easiest way is a case-by-case basis in reserving the right to deny a canon in more complex cases, but still leaving it open so people don't have to wait over something as small as a chapter in a weekly-releasing series, on top of spoiler warnings and optional "don't tag me until you're not a spoiler" opt-outs.

tl;dr, sorry.

Re: NO

[polaropposite]

I agree with it applying to both canon updates and applications for fairness, but I don't think it's enough of a problem to need a wait.

[pavetheway]

Voting no because of the canon update clause.

[hairflowers]

No, due to the canon update clause.

[bloodandblunder]

While I don't like the idea of fad apping, I'm going to have to rely on people's sense of timing and say no, due to the canon update thing.

[stealstolestolen]

voting no because of the canon update thing.

[bardromh]

i'm also woting no because of the canon update part.

Re: NO

[glitchinthesystem]

Only because of the canon update thing. In regards to something that's episodic (say like a tv show) a person could end up waiting a very long while to update them at a certain point, especially if they come out weekly.

[twiceinhabited]

Voting no for the canon update clause.

[dorka]

I'm not sure where to put my vote, because I'm okay with making new canons wait a month before apping from it, but im not so hot on the 'wait a month after canon updates' since i ran into this trouble w makoto ages ago

would it be possible to make it so that someone doesnt have to wait a month if the canon has ended, so long as the series has been available for one month already? for example, allowing someone to apply from the end of naruto RN would be acceptable, but to app from the book of life youd need to wait a little longer?

[havenmods]

If the rule were changed, I think it would have to apply to both apps and canon updates in order to be fair across the board for everyone.

This is because the main reason for wanting a one month wait is spoilers. Even though Naruto (for example) has been going a long time, the ending may still count as a spoiler for people who can't get hold of it right away etc and so the one month wait would still be a fair wait.

[dorka]

alright i just wanted to be sure! thank you

[havenmods]

No problem!

I can see the argument from both sides, but I just want to make sure that if the rule is changed (or if it isn't) then it's fair by being the same for everyone.